CM Punk & Colt Cabana v Dr Chris Amann Trial Day 4 Afternoon Notes

Ross Berman
CM Punk & Colt Cabana v Dr Chris Amann Trial Day 4 Afternoon Notes

(Photo by Josh Hedges/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)

I was over at the Cook County Courthouse for Day 4 of the trial of Dr. Chris Amman v CM Punk & Colt Cabana. Here are the notes from the afternoon session.

Continued Testimony of Phil Brooks (CM Punk)

  • Punk cannot confirm the definition of Z-Pack. “It’s antibiotics.”
  • Punk recalls only officially being prescribed antibiotics once.
  • Punk says the rest of his antibiotics were received in a small envelope. He’d text Drs. Amman or Samson, or he’d ask them in person for antibiotics.
  • Punk notes he could ask for them anywhere in the building. “Whenever I wanted them.”
  • Punk confirms getting Z-Packs from Dr. Samson
  • Antibiotic line of questioning is derailed by objection after objection from Amman’s attorney. Judge sustains as Punk’s attorney is not doing a great job of laying foundation for her line of questioning.
  • Punk confirms getting a little envelope of antibiotics on 2013 European Tour.
  • Punk confirms he was never given paperwork, electronic or otherwise, for antibiotics
  • Punk confirms symptoms would get worse as he wrestled, and would subside when he rested.
  • Punk’s attorney tries to ask about the Z-Pack stories from the podcast, but can’t ask without leading and is stopped by Amman’s attorney repeatedly, until line of questioning is abandoned.
  • Punk confirms being at 2014 Royal Rumble.
  • Punk describes the Royal Rumble match rules.
  • Punk describes the pre-match meeting that wrestlers attend for Royal Rumble.
  • While the eighth graders from the morning session did not return, a few wandered in for Punk’s testimony.
  • Punk, about the Royal Rumble being scripted: “Writers don’t have a lot of say in what happens in the ring.”
  • “Writers write storylines. Wrestlers put their matches together.”
  • Punk describes the process of wrestlers deciding eliminations. Wrestlers are given a list of entry numbers and eliminations and are supposed to build from there.
  • Punk can’t recall how many wrestlers he interacted with that day.
  • Punk was supposed to be one of the last 4 in the ring.
  • Punk describes a clothesline, both the move and the laundry equipment.
  • “Is there contact or is there simulated contact?” “Oh no. There’s contact.”
  • Punk describes what makes up a wrestling ring.
  • Footage of Kofi Kingston clotheslining Punk from the 2014 Royal Rumble is shown.
  • Punk confirms clothesline was planned.
  • Punk praises Kofi’s athleticism.
  • Punk confirms the clothesline gave him a concussion.
  • Punk can’t confirm how long he’d been in the Rumble.
  • Punk explains a flat back bump.
  • Punk says there’s no ill will or blame on Kofi for the concussion. “We probably crowded each other.”
  • Punk describes the feeling of being concussed.
  • Punk confirms he had no notes for Cabana’s podcast.
  • Punk told a camera guy, whom Punk only knows as “Johnny Photo,” to get Dr. Amman.
  • Punk stands by his version of the conversation he relayed in podcast.
  • Punk confirms feeling “helpless” when Amman responded to his concussion with “What do you want me to do?”
  • Punk confirms asking to compose himself mid-match during the 2014 Royal Rumble.
  • Punk has started crying.
  • Punk describes his judgement in 2014 as “poor.”

SIDEBAR

  • 10-15 minute break is called, Judge tells Punk to compose himself.
  • Punk agrees that he disagreed with instructions during Royal Rumble.
  • Punk says he only had one conversation with Amman during Rumble.
  • Punk confirms viewing the entire Royal Rumble PPV(at a later date)
  • Punk cannot recall his conversation with Amman happening on screen.
  • Video footage of Amman is shown from later in the match, counsel states it is the only time Amman’s face is visible on tv.
  • Punk confirms not seeing Amman’s face on TV in his Rumble viewing.
  • Punk recalls The Lump first appearing in fall 2013.
  • Punk confirms traveling by bus from city to city while working for WWE.
  • Punk confirms providing his own bus.”It cut down on wear and tear.”
  • Punk confirms changing and showering on bus.
  • Punk confirms himself, AJ, Kofi Kingston and the bus driver as the main group that traveled on the bus, but there would be a “rotating crew of people.”
  • Punk describes the process of dropping off wrestlers at the arena. After which, Punk would stay on the bus until it was time for him to be at the arena.
  • Punk confirms changing on bus.
  • Punk confirms changing alone.

Punk is handed a target bag by his attorney.

  • Punk defines wrestling gear
  • Punk confirms that all of his gear came from a WWE seamstress, Julie.
  • Punk is asked to describe his gear: Speedo, trunks, kickpads, etc.
  • Punk takes exhibit 119, his speedo, out of the target bag.
  • Punk positively identifies the speedo as his speedo.
  • Punk mentions that it is the only speedo he ever wore in WWE, and calls the fact a “little piece of  WWE Trivia.”
  • Punk takes exhibit 120, a pair of black and white wrestling trunks, out of the bag and positively identifies them as his trunks from the 2014 Royal Rumble.
  • Punk confirms that he’d wash his speedo in the sink.
  • Punk pulls out a pair of shorts that he would wear backstage, so as not to appear bottomless, and positively identifies them.
  • Punk says wearing a Gracie hoodie in his entrance was “not typical,” but it was what he had in the bus at the time.
  • Punk describes the fit of his gear. Trunks are tighter than speedo.
  • Punk shows on his person where The Lump was, points to his beltline.
  • Punk claims to still have a scar where The Lump was.
  • Punk doesn’t know why he said “back,” and not “butt.”
  • Punk points out on his RR trunks that The Lump would’ve been “above or around the star,” on the left side of his waist.
  • Punk defines a hydroculator (used to warm hot packs)
  • “If no one was in the trainer’s room, I’d do it myself.”
  • “I had a bad everything,” Punk, on his injuries.
  • Punk points out the area on his lowerback where he would use hot packs.
  • Punk said no one ever applied a heat pack near The Lump.
  • Punk says he never received a heat pack inside his shorts.
  • Punk says Larry Heck never would’ve seen The Lump.
  • Heck was never on bus or in shower.
  • Punk says he was never undressed around Mark Carrano, John Cone, Tim Gaeng or Larry Heck.
  • Punk described the color of The Lump as “purple, reddish, blue.”
  • Punk confirms taking no notes about The Lump.
  • Punk confirms taking no photos of his butt.
  • Punk unsure when The Lump started getting “tough.”
  • Punk describes The Lump as “super, super sore,” even when getting dressed.
  • Punk said The Lump felt like it was radiating heat.
  • “A lot of things hurt, I’m still throwing myself on the ground.”
  • Punk confirms Cabana’s account of seeing The Lump.
  • “If anyone’s gonna see my butt, that isn’t my wife, it’s Scott.”
  • Punk describes the camo shorts entered into evidence as “standard issue…straight edge kid pants.”
  • Punk, on wearing shorts in winter: “Shorts and a hoodie, that’s what I wear.”
  • Punk says massage therapist from Spa Soak on Milwaukee Ave. in Chicago would’ve seen The Lump.
  • “It was hard to miss if I was naked.”
  • Massage therapist was told, and asked about The Lump twice.
  • Punk confirms AJ was employed by WWE.

Text messages between AJ & Punk, regarding The Lump

  • 1/28/2014- “This fucking lump hurts.”
    Punk describes this text as “telling [AJ] how my day went,” which got a chuckle from the court.
  • “I’m going to stab it.” -Punk, joking in a text about The Lump.
  • Later text message: “I’m going to poke this growth on my butt. it’s time.”
  • AJ: “Let me bring you to a doctor.”
  • Punk: “Noooo, baby” “I don’t like ’em.”
  • Later text: “This thing on my butt/back fucking hurts. I hate doc Amman for not helping me.”
  • When AJ texts Punk, saying she’s on her way to orlando, Punk responds: “I have a giant growth on my upper left butt.”
  • Punk, in a text: “This thing is starting to really hurt. I think it’s a person.”
  • Punk on 2/13/2014 (date of visit with Physician’s Assistant Patrick Duffy): “Your dreamy doc says its a staph infection.” -Punk believed Duffy was a doctor because AJ believed Duffy was a doctor.

End of text messages

  • Punk confirms never texting Amman about The Lump.
  • Punk dates showing Amman The Lump in fall of 2013.
  • Amman asked how long it’d been there, Punk wasn’t sure, and said it didn’t hurt.
  • Punk made no notes, no one was there.
  • Punk says this conversation happened in the trainer’s room.
  • Punk describes showing Amman The Lump a second time, as Punk was hoping to get it cut out.
  • When asked about wrestlers routinely have everything from zits to lumps cut out, Punk says “Wrestlers are a strange breed.”
  • Punk says he showed Amman The Lump at the Royal Rumble.
  • When asked about comparing The Lump to a baseball, Punk says, “It’s what I said and it’s what it looked like.”
  • “It looked raised.”
  • Punk on The Lump: “It felt like a giant mass, and it felt like it was on my butt.”
  • AJ is present at the Rumble meeting.
  • Punk says AJ cared more about Punk’s health than Punk did.
  • Punk confirms hundreds backstage at Royal Rumble.
  • Punk stands by conversation described in podcast, but “not accurately.”
  • Punk described constant pain caused by The Lump.
  • Punk stands by his podcast statements, or at least the “gist” of it.
  • Punk says golfball and baseball comparisons felt right.
  • Punk says The Lump looked like a bruise at the Royal Rumble.
  • Punk says Amman said he’d take care of The Lump.
  • After the Royal Rumble, Punk felt “hurt,” “furious,” and “confused.”
  • Punk recalls asking “cut this fucking thing out of me,” but cannot recall Amman’s response.
  • Punk believed Duffy was a doctor, and supposedly told him to take antibiotics for two weeks and then return for removal.
  • Punk confirms that Patrick Bateman is “an eccentric serial killer,” played by Christian Bale, and felt that Patrick Duffy looked like Patrick Bateman with white hair.
  • Punk stands by description of visit to Duffy, but cannot speak to the intent of the words.
  • Punk recalls Duffy calling The Lump staph infection.
  • Punk confirms not knowing the difference between Staph and MRSA.
  • Text Message from Punk to AJ: “gotta be out on antibiotics for two weeks before he can remove it.”
  • Text Message from Punk to AJ: “I’m going to fucking email Vince and bury Dr. Amman.”
  • About the idea to email Vince, “I had a eureka moment as to why I’d felt so bad for so long.”
  • Text from AJ to Punk: “I can’t believe Dr. Amman didn’t catch that.”
  • Text from Punk to AJ: “I showed this to doc twice.”
  • AJ and Punk continue to discuss treatment.
  • Text from Punk to AJ: “He’s going to cut it open and drain it.”
  • Text from Punk to AJ: “This is dumb. Staph can kill you.”
  • Punk felt discharge on his neck during procedure, hence podcast comment about fluid hitting the ceiling.

Texts From Punk to AJ, rapid succession it seems:

  • “Says its all infected.”
  • “They’re squeezing me to death.”
  • “I died.”
  • “Ugh.”
  • “Saying it was a cyst.”

End of text messages.

  • Punk confirms memory of Duffy diagnosing The Lump as staph upon initial exam.
  • Counsel shows Punk Duffy’s medical report.
  • Punk, about antibiotics: “I felt better immediately.”
  • There is a series of objections to Punk’s attorney’s next bit of evidence, a page of texts between Punk and his “adopted sister” Chez, and it ends in a furious judge calling a 10-15 minute break, while they determine if the text exchange. Judge is also furious about unwillingness by both sides to set an actual schedule for Monday and Tuesday.

Break

  • Judge allows just the first text to be admitted. It is Punk telling Chez about The Lump, the treatment by Duffy, and Amman. This is dated 2/14/2014 (one day after Duffy procedure)
  • Punk explains his relationship with Chez.
  • Punk stands by the text message.
  • Punk felt “relief” after the podcast. “I could move on with my life.”
  • Punk never listened to the podcast because “he lived it.”
  • Counsel: “Do you feel bad about anything you said in this podcast?” Punk: “No.”
  • Punk confirms the text exchange with Colt that ends in “but fuck him.” Him referring to Amman.
  • “Everything was the truth, and I think the truth can hurt.”
  • “He was threatening my friend with lawyers.”
  • Punk stands by the “essential truth” of his story on the podcast.

End of Day 4.

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